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Does permethrin kill red mites?


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evadne

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Have just discovered I have red mites- my own silly fault, I accepted a second hand henhouse from a less than careful owner. As an emergency measure today,I treated the henhouse with a permethrin based cat/dog flea bomb. I have read the pinned information here on the site, and permethrin isn't mentioned. ficam w is, but it is so expensive that I might as well buy a new coop. So far the mites have not reached my main henhouse, but it can only be a matter of time before they do and I can't throw that away so I will follow the advice on preventative measures here on the site with poultry shield etc.

But, I wonder if anyone can help answer these questions:
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[*]Is permethrin likely to work, or are red mites now immune to it?
[*]Do the mites live on the hens at all - different people seem to say different things on this? I want to burn the infested coop and  move the 3 hens living in it into the main coop, but not if they have red mite on them.
[*]If mites do live on hens themselves, how can I kill them? (er, the mites, not the hens.)
[*]I put my cat-flea spot-on treatment on them today as recommended by vet. It has something called Fipronil as the ingredient - is it likely to work?

Any advice from those of you who have experience of these horrible things will be very much appreciated.

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red mite do not live on chickens, they live in the crevices in the coop and come out at night to feed on the poor chooks :twisted: , a dusting of diatomos earth on your chooks should get rid of any still lingering after the night feed

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From what i remember (its been a while since the topic of red mite was discussed!))

The only parasite killer i know to be effective is frontline but its not lliscenced for use on chickens so you will have lie and say its for your cat or something they will ask you for your pets weight and maybe a couple of other questions. Had terrible problems with lice last year and heard about other chicken keepers using it so gave it a go and it worked it takes a while depending how bad the infestation is and you should only use a tiney suirt either between the legs or under the wings is best.

As for mites they live on the hens at night time and dissapear into the nocks and crannies in the hen house during the day which is why you may not find them on the hen during the day. I think you have to bath the hen before you treat her for the most effective way, just warm water will do and ensure she is fully dry before putting her out again as hens can catch a chill easily but info on the net will vary your best bet is to give Southbeach vets in westcliff a call and ask for advice their very helpfull and knowledgeable about chickens as they used to specialise in all avians or poultry vets in your area.

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Most insecticides kill red mite if they come into contact with it, the problem is they get in such out of the way places the insecticde does not reach them, plus the eggs are a law unto them selves!

Now I can only tell you what works for me, others might disagree but I can only report from my own experiences and I fight the wretched things every year!

Ficam W, is brilliant, it has a residual action that actually works, so what the spray does not kill on contact is killed when they finally emerge or hatch.
It can be bought in sachets which make about five litres of spray for less than a tenner.

Creosote, the real McCoy, kills them all and keeps them gone for probably a year but takes time to dry and air, usually a couple of weeks.
It is banned for Joe Publics use but it can still be got.

Tried diatoms but found it ineffective.

Tried most of the over the counter products, they kill the mites but the eggs keep hatching, so unless you are prepeared to keep treating the coop every 5-7 days until they have all gone you wont be free of the problem, it will take weeks.

White spirit does kill them, sprayed into the nooks and crannies from a plant sprayer but again needs to be done every 5-7 days until total eradication.
Dries quickly and no lingering fumes.

Lime wash appears to kill them, I have just used it in my chick shed where I know I had them left over from last year and it appears to be working.
I bought mine on line, messy to work with but fun I was covered in it  :rofl: , dries quickly and no fumes.
So will be using it on the interiors of the rest of my housing this yaer.

The worst conveyor of the mite is you, only one egg laden female requires transplanting to the next coop for another major infestation!

They will live on the birds, I have found them on feet under dried mud and in bad cases I have heard they will live in the body cavities of the poor birds i.e mouth and ears.

Think thats covered it  :)

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Diatom is highly affective if used correctly and in the correct quantity. It is used by a large number of organic chicken farmers arouind the world.
Lime wash is fine if used on the inside and in the dry, it does burn the skin whilst wet and will burn if wetted once dry. It is highly effective though for most bugs and was the farmers choice for many years in cattle barns etc.
Red mite is said not to actually live on birds but how does it get to birds/houses not previously infected?! Red mite do not fly that is a given, so they must arrive on birds of some type. You'd only need one ready to lay eggs and away they go. Whatever you use its not going to be instant and follow up treatments will be necessary especially if some are hanging out on the birds.

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View Postcuckoomad, on 23 April 2011 - 07:26 AM, said:


The worst conveyor of the mite is you, only one egg laden female requires transplanting to the next coop for another major infestation!

Thanks for all the advice.

Re the above - I whipped my clothes off as soon as I decently could (not a pretty sight :grin: ) before I went to the next coop, but later found one on my arm so the damage is probably done.
Did my own research on permethrin - put clothes + mites in bucket and sprayed them. The mites are dead this morning, although from what has been said, I know this won't kill the eggs.

I am going to burn the infected coop and move the birds.  I am still unsure how to treat the 3 youngsters (some of Mick's 14 week old isa warrens, very cute)who live in there just in case they have any lurking mites. Sounds like the cat spot-on I used with fipronil might be doing the job?

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Would just like to say before people think lime wash is going to dissolve them and their chooks, I have been totally plastered in limewash this last month on numerous occasions and not so much as a pimple has appeared on my skin.

DE that I have used was at the recommended rate, which did not work for me, as I said I can only comment from my own experiences. Plus I think there is an issue with inhalation.

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Hi Evadne, where red mite is concerned, I fear its a case of when rather than never. At some point all hen houses will become infected. Everyone has there own particular way of keeping red mite at bay or banishing them. I use a both Diatom and Poultry Shield. Spraying with the Poultry Shield into all corners....or as near as possible. Allowing that to dry and then following up with Diatom, which gets puffed into all corners, crevices etc. So far so good but its a case of never letting your guard down. I continued to puff Diatom everywhere right through the winter, every week regardless of weather. Now we are into warm weather its back to Poultry Shield and Diatom weekly. I always wear an approved mask when cleaning have done for well over 20 years when using anything that could be regarded as remotely dangerous to me as I have asthma. My father used limewash with out problems  for many years, all the greenhouses were also limewashed inside.
Mask wearing is something everyone should do when around dust from the hen house, its a small aid in not developing any lung problems.

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Thanks Christine. I am going to follow your cleaning routine now - when did you ever give bad advice?!-  once I have attacked the blighters :twisted:
And I thought foxes were all I had to worry about.




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